Wednesday, May 26

In Re Jon...
Some Trojan thoughts spurred from Jon's comments in response to Hesiod (see below).

On the lover relationship between achilles and patrocalos: Jon, could you expand on the origins of that a little? Hesiod (the blogger) suggests its more an invention from relatively lately...whereas I'd thought it was more a classical Athenian ideal of love between men. The relation seems important, moreover, as to your point of debate with Hesiod's analysis of the motivation for Achilles to kill Hektor...Hesiod says shame, you say revenge.

Could it be both? Achilles stays out of the fight, at least to some extent, because being killed in battle after being shamed by Agamemnon would leave him in a bad stead for eternity. Rather than the great warrior, he'd be remembered as the guy who lost his slave girl. Could shame also result from a realization that sulking in his tent don't look so good either? (said realization caused from Patrocalos' death?

Still, I'm mostly with you on the revenge motivation. But expand on it please.